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Wednesday, November 01, 2006

A Tale of Two Sees.

Wow, I have caused my biggest argument to date. On one side, the Church's point of view which, if I do say so myself, is generally cogent and coherent. On the other side: vitriol, multiple straw men, and disingenuous avoidance of underlying questions.

The argument itself pulls back the veil on so many issues. Like episcopal leadership styles.

Thanks to Terrance we learn...

Milwaukee -- Madison
Cities separated by 80 miles.
Bishops separated by a multitude of vertebrae.

How one diocesan bishop keeps the issues clear, and his priests on message.

And in Milwaukee.....hmmm, things are eerily, and scarily quiet when it comes to the Archbishop correcting his wayward priests.



Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason we do not hear Timothy Michael the Great speak about moral issues, is that he does not want to rock the boat before the red hat is placed on his head. Further, it is difficult to speak from a Roman Catholic perspective when his total goal is political advancement and not preaching the truth of the Gospel. By remaining quiet he offends no one on either side of the issues, but also does a great disservice to the Gospel and the Roman Catholic population who look to him for leadership and guidance. Maybe his moving elsewhere would be a moral boost to those of us who still believe in the sanctity of life and marriage. May God bless and keep Archbishop Dolan far away from us!

Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous,

Thank you for your oh-so-true comments about our wannabe Cardinal Archbishop. He should remember that Weakland also thought HE was going to be a Cardinal and look at his fate . . .

I did send Bishop Morlino a note of thanks and told him I was considering moving 30 miles west.

Anonymous, too

Thursday, November 02, 2006 6:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The first anonymous poster is spot-on. Things at the Archdiocese are eerily major decisions are being made; priests, lay people, and the faithful are hanging out in the wind with regard to future parish decisions; and the hierarcy - both lay, and more importantly, the episcopacy - is being seen as less and less relevant. I don't think the issue at the core is the 'abuse crisis', but rather the 'abuse crisis' was a symptom of the problem, i.e. the bishops' incompetence. (Remember, too, that many bishops have been 'inappropriate' with others, but have not had to walk the plank. They protect themselves).

I have come to believe that TD is merely a placeholder. While he is kind enough publically, and cordial, and is disarming of the press, I am not sure he is quite interested in staying in Milwaukee. I believe he was given "marching orders" (i.e. don't rock the boat too much, but clean up the 'abuse' crisis, sell Cousins Center, thereby dumping RGW from his home, and remove all references to the former bishops), and once he has satisfactorily checked off the needed housekeeping items (not necessarily in the theological/political area per se), he will be sent elsewhere.

Look at Detroit: Cardinal Maida has been allowed to remain so that he can ordain a Hispanic aux. bishop of very conservative mettle. Once he's set, Rome can green light TD to Detroit, where he will have won the prize - the red hat.

As to those who are upset that TD is not as conservative as Morlino, or Zubik, or Burke, etc. just remember that Cousins was a moderate in many ways. While he was indeed faithful to the Church, a good, kind pastoral leader, and a grandfatherly type, everyman, his theology wasn't far right or far left. However, he didn't aspire to the Cardinalate, either. He saw his appointment as a lifetime vocation, not a stepping stone.

(May Arch. Cousins rest in peace).

I would propose that TD's modus operandii is akin to what political scientists have called "triangulation", i.e. play both sides against the middle, allow someone else to make the decision, so he can then claim victory when things go right, but then duck and run for cover when things go badly.

The next months until the summer will be interesting...keep your eyes open, and read between the lines.

Thursday, November 02, 2006 8:32:00 AM  
Blogger Dad29 said...

I would suggest that TD has done a bit of good with his closing of the Sem--likely another of the "goals" assigned him by Rome, AND by encouraging very orthodox young men to the priesthood.

However, the "JPII" style of management he's using: always DO and SAY the right thing, but don't worry about those who do NOT do or say the right thing--is now passe.

Ergo, we may have TD around for a while, until he learns the B16 method. (CF, e.g., Madison, Galveston/Houston, and a few others.)

Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous keith said...


I was livid when I read the news reports about Morlino's ordering his priests to commit liturgical abuse. The Holy Eucharist is profaned enough already with the trite music and general lack of reverence, The last thing we need is to turn the Mass into yet another opportunity for political pandering! Someone ought to write the Vatican on this guy.

I listened to the 14-minute sermon, and it's actually quite well done: quite faithful on any count and a decent exegesis on the Scriptures from a Mass at which he preached a few weeks ago. It would have been great if the bishop would have asked priests to play the message in a context outside of worship, perhaps even in the church but after the "ita missa est."

Friday, November 03, 2006 2:38:00 PM  
Anonymous keith said...

I'm with Dad29 on the prospects for a red hat for Most Happy Reverend Timmy.

Benedict XVI is not John Paul II. Benedict is an intellectual who will promote intellectuals.

I spent a lot of time at North American College in Rome when TD was rector, and the seminarians there had an interesting relationship with him. The guys under his charge were the best and brightest and balanced that the American Church had to offer, and a largely conservative bunch to boot. They didn't quite know how to treat their rector: an intellectual light weight, a self-professed "conservative" who thought that "conservative" meant saying the rosary in community and going to dinner with a different Knight of Malta every Tuesday.

No, TD is with us until he retires. And he's just the sort that Milwaukee probably needs. He's just orthodox enough to keep his priests faced in the right direction. He's just wise enough to let his cabinet do the work of administration. And he's just chubby enough to be welcome at every Friday Fish Fry in the Archdiocese.

By this count, he did the right thing with regard to this latest controversy. He made his point, and now he will let things take their course.

To do anything else would have created enemies. Timothy doesn't need enemies, whereas Morlino seems to go out of his way to find them. Morlino maybe has the personality to run a diocese divided against itself. But TD doesn't have that gift.

Friday, November 03, 2006 2:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are always plenty of interesting comments on this site. It is hard to know which ones to respond to.

Keith says, "He is just wise enough to let his cabinet do the work of administration." Again, this is precisely part of the problem. This "administration" is all connected to that of Archbishop Weakland and Bishop Sklba. Most of these are evil and corrupt indidivuals. They covered up and paid out large sums of money to hide the sins of Weakland and his many allies. Let's begin with the scandal in the cemeteries office and the many GOOD people who were hurt and cast aside there. Archbishop Dolan inspires no confidence with this "style" of "leadership." Our children are pretty well grown and I would't put here what they think of the Church and its "leadership." It is a shame that there has been no real reform and people of all ages see that.

BTW, I don't know if there are any Knights of Malta around, but I am sure there are people with money who wine and dine Archbishop Dolan, but what does that do for the faith or the Church or the rest of us?

Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What scandal in the cemetaires office? did I miss something? Tell me, please!?!

Saturday, November 04, 2006 1:12:00 PM  
Blogger Terrence Berres said...

Archdiocese fires cemeteries director, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Aug 6, 2003 by Tom Heinen

Saturday, November 04, 2006 1:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That article posted about the cemeteries scandal does not begin to tell the pain and heartache, not to mention the loss of money and benefits and I might add the lose of FAITH by many good people. Dirty, greedy Weakland, Sklba, Schneider and to a cetrain extent Dolan. How do you guys live with yourselves??? Do any of you have a conscience? Didn't your parents bring you up better?

Saturday, November 04, 2006 1:50:00 PM  
Blogger Dad29 said...

Umnnhhh...the cemeteries were bad, but I contend that the Mother of Good Counsel situation was even worse.

W. FIRED the teachers in the school who told him that a predator-pederast-priest was lurking, and he FIRED them all because they SPOKE UP!

That predator is now serving 20+ at Waupun. Who knows what the teachers are doing...

Saturday, November 04, 2006 3:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And Dad29, Weakland goes on his merry way. What is wrong with this picture? Why doesn't Dolan get it?

Saturday, November 04, 2006 6:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys are missing the big point...Dolan gets it, but he's part of the bishops. The bishops protect themselves. Many priests have been threatened with losing everything over other, many, frivolous, unsubstantiated accusations.

Weakland, by Paul Marcoux's and other insiders' accounts, essentially date raped the man, sexually assaulted him, and sexually harrassed him. His punishment? Emeritus title, a $500,000 new apartment at the Cousins Center, and a $10 million dollar Cathedral, complete with his portrait and statue. Yet priests who put their hand on another person's shoulder - man or woman - have been hauled in to defend themselves. Fairness doctrine? No dice.

Actually, TD, like other bishops in similar situations, is not pushing Weakland out explicitly, but Weakland has been told to find another place to live, etc. TD, like the other bishops, gives his brothers RGW and RS free passes. That's the Roman way. Look at how Cardinal Law ended up.

Wake up and smell the coffee. While I respect the bishops because of the office they hold, the whole thing reeks of politics!!! Kind of like the government.

As for Benedict appointing intellectuals because he's an intellectual, you make a good point, but not all of his appointments have been intellectual. He has continued JPII's practice of appointing canonists, however.

TD will NOT stay in Milwaukee long-term. That's already a given. The only reason Weakland didn't make Cardinal in Chicago was Pope Paul VI passed away, as did JPI, who was said to have been more progressive. The only way I see TD NOT going to another place is if Benedict XVI is succeeded by a liberal.

Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:26:00 PM  

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