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Sunday, October 08, 2006

Sunday, but who said no mail.

Four issues related to getting e-mail from readers of my humble little blog:

1) Don't be afraid to offer comments via the "Comments" link at the bottom of each posting. Let everyone see what you have to say.

2) As regards last week's e-mail from "Marcus" predicting announcements of a new parish merger on the north side of Milwaukee and, more interestingly, that a new auxiliary bishop would be announced. Sorry, it seems both were off base, at least for now. As I noted, I have heard rumblings about the first and now fears about the second.

3) If you are a priest of this diocese and you want to send me a nasty e-mail about how unfair I am towards the Priests Alliance, and that I should not be making public statements on my blog, two pieces of advice: A) If you want to say you are a priest, and then not sign your message, I suggest not using a e-mail account that can easily be Googled...ask yourself, where have you used it in connection with your own name? B) I will stop writing blog messages about the Alliance if they stop writings letters. Deal?

4) Below is a message from a good person who wishes to remain anonymous. I will offer comment later this week, but thought I would open it up for initial observations from anyone....What should a good parish try to do when a priest (in this case an associate pastor) takes things down the path of destruction.

Bye all.


Dear Mike,

I wonder if you could please help the parishioners of the combined parishes of St. John Kanty, St. Helen's and St. Alexander on the southside. Fr. Norberto Sandoval, a newly ordained priest, is trying to turn our parishes into political action committees in support of illegal immigrants. He is sponsoring a talk called, "Justice for Immigrants-An Educational Forum" in conjunction with the Office of Catholic Social Action and the Archdiocese of Milwaukee.

These old parishes, founded by legal immigrants, are now being inundated with Fr. Sandoval's liberation theology. While most parishioners support immigrants, they understand that Pope John Paul II also said that the accepting country's laws must be followed. The older parishioners don't want to say anything.

These parishes recently suspended religious education because a DRE resigned. There have been many staff resignations. Additionally, he has created a rift between Latino and Anglo parishioners by conducting a Spanish-only mass. Instead of spending time with the religious education students or older parishioners, he is focusing his energies in the political arena. He took part in the illegal immigrant marches last spring. He did not meet students in the religious education program and avoids talking to anglo parishioners. He has alienated older Polish Catholics by covering up their icons with Hispanic ones.

We don't know what kind of training he received and who is encouraging him. The parishioners have tried to write letters to the Archdiocese to no avail. Maybe if you bring this up there will be some action. Thank you so much. Please keep my identity anonymous.

Concerned citizens of the tri-parishes of St. Alexander's, St. Helen's and St. John Kanty

Ideas anyone?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Comment on the auxiliary bishop issue - it's my understanding that the Archbishop hasn't even requested one yet. Has anyone heard the same thing?

Monday, October 09, 2006 5:17:00 AM  
Blogger Terrence Berres said...

Kind of reminds me of a young associate pastor back at St. Veronica's, fellow named James Groppi. Came across as very concerned that society change to fit his ideals but not particularly concerned with the souls of the parishioners.

Monday, October 09, 2006 6:03:00 AM  
Blogger Dad29 said...

Ahhh, the good old days. Marches, justice, yadayadayada....

I'd first attempt to see Fr. Sandoval and tell him that he is divisive.

When that doesn't work, you go to see Fr. Hartmann at the Chancery and say the same thing.

Document EVERYTHING--get videotape and/or tape recordings if you can.

Stick with the big ones--let the little stuff slide.

And pray.

Monday, October 09, 2006 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger Dad29 said...

In re the new Auxiliary: remember that Bp. Sklba is within 2 years of mandatory retirement.

Of course, Rome could send their "acceptance" letter before Bp Sklba writes his letter to request retirement...

Monday, October 09, 2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger Terrence Berres said...

"The parishioners have tried to write letters to the Archdiocese to no avail."

Meaning they explained why they thought Fr. Sandoval was right or acting within his discretion? Or meaning some other kind of response?

Monday, October 09, 2006 12:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree on the importance of documenting. You won't be able to do much without it. Witnesses or pictures (like the covered up icons) are helpful too.
I am not sure that Fr. Hartman is the correct person to contact. I think it is Fr. Frederick, Vicar of Clergy.

Monday, October 09, 2006 4:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Almost spit out my coffee on the Chancery comment :-) That was good..


Monday, October 09, 2006 5:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sure that Frs. Sandoval, Frederick and Hartman are having a beer laughing at all this. Probably even Archbishop Dolan is with them.

Once they have driven away the
"older Polish parishioners" it will give them every reason to completely shut down those parishes. This after all is the goal. Is it not?

Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As someone who was a pairishioner at St. Anthony's on Mitchell St. when Fr. Hartman was pastor there for a short time, I can say confidently that he does not want to drive the older Polish, or any group, away. Unlike a lot of these priests brought in from other countires, he tried to foster the groups to work together and trust each other.

Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, I think Dolan is a huge supporter of the Polish community, as are some of his financial backers.
Don't be so certain that Norberto has a lot of support on South Lake Drive. You might be surprised.

Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To anonymous...

I work at the Central Offices and can tell you, based on what I know, that there *IS* some truth to the northwest side parish merger. The parishes under consideration include St. Bernadette, St. Philip Neri, Corpus Christi, and Mary, Queen of Martyrs. That's still in the offing, but nothing official.

I also heard that the Archbishop "was hurt and disappointed" when a request for an auxiliary was denied. But, the evidence points to CF being the front runner, and I have that on five solid sources.

Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:29:00 PM  
Blogger Terrence Berres said...

Mike's correspondent might want to consult the The St. Joseph Foundation on how, or whether, to proceed.

Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bishop Sklba is 71 years old. This means that he has 4 years left.

Thursday, October 12, 2006 4:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know I am commenting on a very old post but Father Norberto Sandoval is one of the best priests I have encountered in my 55 years of being Catholic. The Archdiocese of Milwaukee is blessed to have him serve us. I am sorry that you do not know this very kind, compassionate & loving priest.

Sunday, April 05, 2015 9:10:00 AM  

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