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Sunday, June 04, 2006

Liturgists say the darnedest things.

Or worse, they make others say it three or four times in a weekend.

Consider the scene:

A large suburban parish on the northern edge of the Metropolitan archdiocese of the Flatland south of us.
It's Pentecost, the celebration of the birth of the Church.
The pastor gives a rather lukewarm homily about how "the Church" cannot be defined. (That should have been a warning.)

Then, the topper, the lector gets up and proclaims the following:

"Let us pray that the table of the Lord is the welcoming place of gathering for people of every race, CREED, color, and gender." (Emphasis added.)

Excuse me, but what school of theology taught that understanding of the Church...every Creed??????

Sadly, the Archdiocese of the Windy City has some of the same problems as the Archdiocese of Milwaukee.



Anonymous Anonymous said...

What taught that? Try Vatican II.
How can conversion even begin to happen if our brothers and sisters of other faiths do not feel welcomed first?

Monday, June 05, 2006 7:43:00 PM  
Blogger Mike, the Faithful Catholic said...

OK...put you money where your mouth is. Show me, and my few readers, where in the documents of Vatican II that the Eucharist is open to people of other Creeds?

I guarantee, you will either have to resort to the "spirit of Vatican II" (the battle cry of those who want the Church to stand for nothing) or some sort of out of context prooftexting.


Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:44:00 AM  
Blogger Terrence Berres said...

The first sentence of its first document said, "This sacred Council has several aims in view: it desires ... to strengthen whatever can help to call the whole of mankind into the household of the Church." It's hard to get that meaning from praying that "the table of the Lord is the welcoming place of gathering for people of every ... creed ... ." To be welcomed into the household is quite different from being welcomed into the house.

Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:13:00 AM  
Blogger Dad29 said...

...but any Lut'ran is welcome to watch, and learn. Same with Episcopalians and Jews.

Liturgists, however, should be banned.

Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger Mike, the Faithful Catholic said...

Excuse me...(knock, knock, knock)...anonymous, I am still waiting for the citation from the documents of Vatican II that opens the Eucharist to all creeds.

da, da, da, da (imagine Jeopardy theme song)...

Just as I thought, there is none.


Friday, June 09, 2006 5:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was not trying to say that we should "invite anyone and everyone to communion". Of course that is what makes us Catholic. I simply meant to say, and I hope that I articulate this clearly, that you can "gather at the table" without "sharing in the banquet". As "dad29" said "[others] can watch and learn", but those others need to feel welcome to do so. Until those people profess faith in the Roman Catholic Church, of course they should not receive the Eucharist.

It is my understanding that this is the point of the decree on ecumenism (Unitatis Redintergratio), written during Vatican II.

Friday, June 09, 2006 2:16:00 PM  

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